You are here to uplevel your money and your life. One way to do that is to learn to think beyond your clinical income. Typically, physicians see direct patient care as their only source of income. Once our eyes are opened to multiple streams of income, people have a very common question, “What should I do?
To help you get started, I sat down with my friend and fellow physician Dr. Carrie Reynolds. In addition to her physician work, Carrie also runs her own business, the Hippocratic Hustle, that showcases the side work of other physicians. Her podcast currently features over 70 guests who are doing amazing things outside of traditional clinical medicine.
When it comes to finding the right side gig, the most important thing you can do is to get started. Carrie says it’s OK if you don’t know what the end goal will be. She shares Dr. Kristen Bizati’s story about how a wedding planning book with a focus on Persian weddings snowballed into an intercultural consulting career.
Another important aspect of starting a side gig as a physician is understanding our unique perspective and skillset. As problem-solvers by nature, many physicians find side work that overlaps with something they do professionally. In the case of Dr. Katie Deming, her work as an oncologist led her to create MakeMerry, a company that understands the unique needs of breast cancer patients and survivors.
Even if you don’t start a side gig right away, it is important to at least consider the possibility of side gig work. It’s easy to forget that there are other things out there if you’ve been doing your clinical work for so long. You can build a side gig around a passion that is an offshoot of your skills or one that allows you to revisit an interest or hobby from the past.
As you continue to foster a growth mindset, improve your finances, and uplevel your life, you won’t want to miss the advice in this episode from Dr. Carrie Reynolds.
In this episode, we also explore:
- Carrie’s Hippocratic Hustle empire that spans side gigs, travel, and real estate
- Why physicians are uniquely suited to side hustle and explore entrepreneurship
- How podcasts are monetized and the real way they can propel a career or side gig
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Featured on the episode:
- Check out the Carrie’s Hippocratic Hustle podcast
- Learn more about the Hippocratic Homes
- Discover travel adventures and more on the Hippocratic Holiday podcast
- Learn more about how to manage your mindset with Wealthy Mom MD
- Check out the Leverage and Growth Virtual Summit for Physicians, May 11 -22, 2020, hosted by Dr. Peter Kim. I’ll be joining over 50 other physicians who have come together during these uncertain times to share their knowledge & expertise around those things we all wonder about — diversifying your income, investing (safely & effectively) and achieving true freedom & control over your time, money, and future. See you there!
Welcome to The Wealthy Mom MD Podcast—a podcast for women physicians who want to learn how to live a wealthy life. In this podcast, you will learn how to make money work for you, how you can have more of it, and learn the tools to empower you to live a life on purpose. Get ready to uplevel your money and your life. I'm your host, Dr. Bonnie Koo.
BONNIE KOO: Welcome, Carrie, to The Wealthy MD Podcast.
CARRIE REYNOLDS: Oh my gosh, Bonnie, I am so excited to be here on your new show. That’s awesome.
BONNIE: I know it's very strange having Carrie on because usually that's the other way around. She is welcoming me on her show. To everyone who's listening right now, I'm feeling super insecure being the interviewer this time because Carrie is such a pro. So first, a good morning.
CARRIE: You're doing great.
BONNIE: Okay, awesome. So the reason why I brought Carrie on to the show today is I want to talk about side hustles. So as you recall, in a previous episode titled “Think Beyond Your Clinical Income,” I talked about how many physicians sort of only see their only source of income as direct patient care. But there's so many options. And I actually think that everyone should pursue multiple streams of income and think beyond their current physician job. And so a lot of times people ask, “Okay, that makes sense. I should do that. But what should I do? What can I do? I need ideas. I want examples.”
And so I usually tell them, “I have a perfect resource for you.” And it's Carrie’s podcast, The Hippocratic Hustle, because she basically interviews mostly women physicians who are doing amazing things outside of sort of traditional clinical medicine. And so she started in 2017. Is that right?
CARRIE: Yeah, I think so.
BONNIE: So how many people have gone on? Do you know the number?
CARRIE: I have over 100 episodes now and probably over 70 or 80. I actually need to count that. That's a really good question.
BONNIE: So, basically at least 70 ideas or so?
CARRIE: I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And even if someone came on twice, there's probably two ideas there. So at least 80 ideas.
BONNIE: Yeah, and it's so amazing what women have been doing. Women physicians do things that I wouldn't even think of. And I think that also goes to show that so many physicians, they really think they can't do anything else besides what they do. And so I think we forget that there are other things out there besides medicine because we've just been doing it for so long.
So one guest that's really memorable to me, Carrie, is the one who I'm trying to think of. It's been a while. The one who helps women or men marrying Persians.
CARRIE: Oh, yes, she is awesome. Oh, my gosh, I'm drawing a blank, and it kills me that I'm forgetting her name right now because she's a good Facebook friend. But she married a man whose family background was from Iran, from Persia, and she had to go through the whole marriage process. And so she ended up deciding, well, it was hard enough for her to understand the traditions and the culture that she didn't want other people who were going through the same thing to have to try to reinvent the wheel. So she wrote a book about wedding planning for Persian weddings. So, yeah, it's apparently a really popular book for couples that are going through that.
BONNIE: I mean, what an amazing resource.
CARRIE: Yeah, for someone who needs something like that, it’s perfect. She said, It's doing pretty good. And then that actually ended up snowballing into another career that she has on the side, which is cultural communication, like counseling and coaching for people who are doing business with people in the Middle East. So it even went beyond weddings into a whole other business. So it seemed like something she was just doing for fun on the side ended up being a whole other branch of her overall career and who she is. So, yeah, amazing.
BONNIE: I think that's a perfect example of just getting started with an idea because you don't know what the end goal will be necessarily. It's not until you get started that, like, you just give a perfect example, starting with this book, and now she's doing consulting, you know, for business. So I think it's pretty amazing what can happen once you sort of allow yourself to even pursue something different.
CARRIE: Yeah, and her name is Christen Behzadi. She's a physician in Texas. So, yeah, it was a really, really fun episode. I love that episode.
BONNIE: Yeah. We'll be sure to link that episode in the show notes. So going back to you, Carrie, can you tell us how this podcast idea even started? So you started in 2017. So what was sort of the inspiration for you to even do this? Because I will tell you, as someone who just started a podcast, it’s a lot of work, man.
CARRIE: Yes, it is. It is. I know it's like anything where people are making things creatively, whether it be a blog or YouTube show or a podcast. It looks so easy when people are doing it. But then when you actually realize what they're doing behind the scenes are so much more to it. So it is.
So I started in about 2017. At the time, I had been attending for about three-ish years, maybe 2.5 years. And it was about that time where I had really settled into my job. It felt relatively easy, you know. I mean, there's always challenging patients that you have, so there's always something new that you're doing in medicine. But for the most part, it was, you know, the same sort of patients. It was getting a little bit boring, it was getting a little routine.
And I don't know about you, but when I was going through all of my training, I mean, whether it be from undergrad to med school to residency to, you know, fellowship. There's always these, like 3- to 4-year blocks that we are doing these things. And we're always looking forward to the next step that we have coming up. And I think it was in this job that I had that I was like, “What's the next step?” And I didn't have a next step and I didn't have a goal. And I was looking for goals professionally within my job there. Could I, you know, advance myself in the private practice that I was in? Could I join some committees? Could I do a few things on the side that might resemble that next step that I was looking for professionally? But unfortunately, where I was, there just weren't a lot of options for that, so I really felt a little bit stuck and a little bit bored.
BONNIE: Yeah, and so for those of you who don't know, I think that's around the time Carrie and I met, at least virtually. So I don't know if everyone knows the story, so I want to see if I can remember it. (laughter)
So my memory is I think I helped you with something. I connected you to Jim Dhale. Actually, the White Coat Investor. You were having an issue about something. And I guess he ended up emailing you back.
CARRIE: Yeah, because he's a really responsive guy.
BONNIE: Yeah, really good with email. He still replies to emails. Amazingly, I can't imagine the volume he gets. So that happened. And then, not too soon after, a box of toffee showed up at my apartment.
CARRIE: That's so funny. I had a friend who was doing this thing since he was an attending, and he's making a little bit more money, you know, he was a recent graduate, but he was making more money. So he started sending chocolates to friends for Christmas and stuff, and I thought, Well, that's really nice. I thought that was kind of cool because we were getting chocolates from him for Christmas. And then I thought, Well, I should do that, too. But as a thank you gift for people who are doing nice things for me. And so I thought, well, since Bonnie really helped me there, I'll send Bonnie some chocolates and I'll send Jim some chocolates. I totally forgot to send it to Jim. Oh, sorry. Jim, you didn't get your chocolates. I'll have to just send them over. He would be like, Why are you sending this? But I still think it's a great idea. And I, honestly, I haven't done it too much since I sent you the chocolate.
BONNIE: So, uh, all right, well, we love them. Like, we just put them in the freezer. And because they’re really tiny ons, it felt like it wasn't a big deal to have a little piece of toffee. So we'd like, dig into the freezer and like them one day they were gone.
CARRIE: And it's really funny that was memorable for you because I think it was not too much longer after that I was basically brainstorming about what to do with my podcast and who I wanted to have as guests. And I thought, Well, you know, Bonnie! At the time, you had been really vocal and obviously one of the biggest helpers on the Facebook group that we were part of. So I mean, you were like Facebook famous at the time, right? So I just decided, Well, if I'm going to have someone with a personal finance twist who likes to talk about money, then Bonnie would be an obvious choice. So I wasn't sure she was going to say yes. But I emailed you, and you were like, Yeah, sure.
BONNIE: Did I even have a blog at the time?
CARRIE: I think so.
BONNIE: Yeah, maybe the first rendition had just started. Like, maybe it had a few posts or something.
CARRIE: Yeah, exactly. It was pretty fresh.
BONNIE: Exactly. So tell us how the podcast idea even came to you.
CARRIE: Yeah. So I think it came to me because, you know, there's a lot of Facebook groups that we've both been into. You know, some of them had tons of people, and I think I was part of maybe three that were most important to me. It was the Physician Moms group. It was the Women Physicians Personal Finance group. And there was the Women Physician Entrepreneur group. And between those three groups, there were often people who would post on those groups about what they were doing.
And I remember there was one memorable time when there was someone who had just left her private practice and opened a solo practice. And people were asking her, “How did you do that? How did you get up the guts to leave your group and do all this stuff?” And she was typing her response, and it was so fast that there were typos and you could just see that it was like a stream of consciousness. And she was trying to teach everybody what she did. But, I mean, in a Facebook group in a little post, that is not the place where you can really express yourself and get all those ideas out at once.
So I thought it would be awesome if we could hear this as a podcast. And I for one, I'm a huge podcast fan. So I've been listening to podcasts for years, and I thought I would like to hear this as a podcast. I thought, “Well, are there any physicians out there who are doing this? Is there anything like this?”
So I searched Apple podcasts and at the time, Apple, it's really hard to find good podcasts sometimes, especially if you're looking for something very specific. Sometimes the discoverability of podcasts is very difficult to find, even if it exists. Apple has improved that somewhat, but definitely three years ago it was really hard to find things and I couldn't find anything. I couldn't find anything that was related to physicians doing a side gig or, you know, a project or business or things like that. And so I thought I had that little spark in my head. I'm kind of the type of person if I'm in a group of people and someone asks for a volunteer and no one's sitting around, I probably will end up putting my hand up and volunteering. I don't know. It's just like no one's volunteering, I better just do it. So once I got that thought that I should just do it, then I was like, Well, I have to do it now. So that's basically how the podcast got started.
BONNIE: I actually, do you remember you telling me that's how it started. You were seeing people posting things, and you're like, we need a better way to collate all these great ideas into one. Because, as you know, with Facebook posts especially, this is a comment. I'm assuming.
CARRIE: Oh, yeah, a lot get lost.
BONNIE: You see it one day. And if you didn't see it that day, it's buried by other things. And Facebook is also difficult to search.
CARRIE: Yeah, And I thought, Well, that's a shame that she went through so much to type all that and get it out. Now it's gone. It's gone. I have no idea how to find that post again.
BONNIE: And then these days, we're just in so many Facebook groups. I don't remember where posts are. I'll read something and when I try to go back and search, I'm like, “Ah, what group was it in?” Then I just give up.
CARRIE: Yeah, Unfortunately, Facebook is just so huge, and the bigger the group, the worse it is, right? So it's almost like you're a little better off having in a group of like, 3000 or 4000 people because I think there's enough information there but doesn't get overwhelmed by the volume. But everything has value to it.
BONNIE: Now that you've interviewed over 70 mostly women physicians, is there anything that surprised you about their hustles. Have you seen themes? And I guess I'm just trying to get a sense of how my readers can be expected to listen to, you know, the women saying what they're doing.
CARRIE: I think a lot of people have found that there's some passion that they've always had in their life that they want to get back to, or there's some passion that ends up being an offshoot of something that they're doing professionally. For example, I'm thinking off the top of my head, MakeMerry is a lingerie company that I interviewed the founder--I do believe her name is Doctor Katie Deming--and I interviewed her on the show. She was a radiation oncologist, and she found that there were women coming into her clinic with breast cancer who were having really sensitive skin issues and they couldn't wear regular lingerie.
Apparently, they make this lingerie for people with these problems that are really frumpy and ugly, and she was like, “Well, this is horrible.” A 40 year old woman is coming in, and she wants something comfortable and pretty. So she had a passion in her past for fashion design; she's always been really fascinated by that. I don't think she had ever really done it professionally, but just almost as a hobby or just something that she liked to think about and read about that sort of thing that she decided these ladies need a garment. I know what kind of government they need. I'm interested in making items, fashion items, I guess, and twisting all that into something that's both an offshoot of her passion personally and also of her professional work.
So I think that's a great example of how she was able to kind of mix that up and make a product. I just saw it on her Facebook that her lingerie won an award for best type around for this sort of situation. She's doing amazing work and really helping people and making some really pretty bras in the process. And she definitely was one who was saying that doing the side business is like fuelling my passion and helping support me professionally and emotionally at the same time.
BONNIE: Well, first of all, I think physicians are perfectly poised to notice problems and come up with solutions. That's kind of what we know, right? Yeah, that's the problem. And then we are giving solutions, you know, in terms of medical advice, right? But that skill set is translatable to so many things. I think that's actually a key point. You notice a problem and you try to come up with a solution, usually either for yourself or in the case that you just said, it's for her patients. So I think that's actually a great point right there that you actually might have a solution that hasn't been given.
CARRIE: Yeah, I think that's a great point that we're problem solvers. And even if it doesn't relate professionally to what you're doing. Like that example of the Persian wedding planner. I mean, we’re helpers at heart. We want to help people. And so I think that's all coming from who we all are. At the core of who we are is to help people.
So if you find someone who needs something, we want to fulfill that. Whether it be helping them with money, like you do, or helping them plan their wedding. Yeah.
BONNIE: So what have you learned so far after a few years of podcasting? Is podcasting your side hustle? Has it given you inspiration to work on other things?
CARRIE: Yes, it's part of a side hustle. I mean, a lot of people assume that many people who are successful with podcasting and what's the definition of success in podcasting? Actually, that is a whole can of worms for that one, too. But many people assume that people can make a lot of money podcasting, and there's really unfortunately not a ton of people who are making a ton of money being podcasters. Really the ones who are making money are the ones who are already famous. I think you know as far as nationally known personalities and things like that.
So it's not the easiest thing to make money on as a singular task. But you know, it can be quite successful for using it as some sort of promotional tool or advertising tool for something else that you're selling, such as the course or coaching business. Or, you know, even the Persian wedding planner. I don't think she has a podcast, but if that was something she wanted to promote, then having a podcast about that topic would be great. And I think people had a lot of success using podcasting as a means for that.
As far as success with podcasting that’s monetary, it’s a little bit difficult to make a ton of money, especially at the beginning. I just tried to break even when I first started getting rolling with this. I didn't want it to take any of my family's money to support the podcast because, you know, I still have student loans that I'm paying off and stuff like that. So it's not fair to use this quasi-hobby/business and start taking away from my family's finances.
So I've always tried to at least break even with my finances and then maybe a little bit on the side because it takes a ton of time. And unfortunately our value, many times, comes from seeing patients, and that's where we really can make the best money for our time is seeing patients. So when I think about that, I really don't make very much money per hour that I'm working on the podcast at all.
BONNIE: What you said about, you know, it's not easy to make money as a podcaster. Well, it's a little like, remember when blogging was kind of the thing everyone was trying to start because people had seen bloggers make money. Then, everyone kind of jumped on and assumed they could make money to write something there. You have to have the traffic, meaning you have to be popular. You need eyeballs for advertising.
So I find it fascinating how the models have changed over time. And so if you're looking at a podcast as making money by itself in its own sort of vacuum, like a blog, I do agree. You have to get sponsors. It’s kind of the same sort of model, so there's different ways to look at it. I guess what you said is more about marketing tools or what I call lead generators.
So this is kind of a mini business lesson for those who are looking for a way to market your services as a coach. You know, obviously, I'm a coach. I coach people. I have an online course that I sell. So for me, the podcast is a way to get my free, valuable information out there because I also know that most people won't ever pay me, which is totally fine. But I still want to be able to teach them and give a free or low cost resource for people.
It's a way for people to get to know me to see if I guess worth paying for, I guess, is one way to say it. And it is also part fun, right? Because it's fun to have your friends on, like Carrie, for example, on the show. But I do agree, if I was just doing it purely for its own self, for money, it would probably not be worth my time to do that, right?
CARRIE: Right. What I think about as far as the value from the podcast is there's tons of intangibles. Like a lot of intangibles that I've gotten from doing the podcast. And actually, one of the things that's actually more tangible than intangible is that I had my now-good friend Cheri Wiggins. She's a PM&R physician. She came on the show to talk about a product that she created.
After we got done doing the interview, we started talking about what she does for physician life, which is she is a locums doctor. At the time, I had no idea what being a locums doc was about, you know? And she had said outright, She's like, “This is the best job I've ever had.” And I had it this whole preconception in my head that locums for when you couldn’t get real jobs. I don't know. I don't know why I have that thought, but, you know, so I didn't really understand what locums was all about.
Right after we recorded the show about the product that she was creating ended, I said, “Can we just record this? This is great information.” And so she was like, “Sure!” So that whole episode turned into how she got into the business of doing locums. And from that one episode with her, I decided to quit my job. I decided to basically go out on the road and become a locums doc.
So I've been doing that for, oh my gosh, I've been doing that for almost two years now. Financially, if we want to talk about financial rewards, that has paid leaps and bounds. I mean, I get paid so much better doing locums with working less and having better quality of life and better satisfaction with my career.
Overall, I mean, that makes doing the podcast worth it. Even if I was paying for every episode out of pocket, I mean by far, yes. So there are a kind of intangibles that come around from doing something like this putting yourself out there, that sort of thing.
BONNIE: Yeah. No, I think that's a great point. Putting yourself out there because you're meeting people. The nature of your podcast is that you're interviewing people. So you've talked to 70 or 80 people, so you're getting ideas and you're getting new ideas and thinking about how the whole locums thing.
Actually, we have another episode with Carrie coming up about locums. I think becuase of you, I switched to locums if I really have to think about it. So is that crazy?
BONNIE: From that one episode, right?
CARRIE: Yeah, all from that one episode. So the trickle down, I mean, and I’ve definitely gotten emails from other people who have listened to the show and not even just locums, but, like, “Oh, someone did this, and so I decided to do this. And now it's really great, thank you so much.” That sort of thing. So the trickle down effect, I guess, probably is greater than I even realized. So again, I guess it comes back to wanting to help people. And, you know, I just hope every story that I put out there gives someone some sort of idea that maybe they could do something a little bit different with their career.
BONNIE: Yeah. So what other hustles have you been pursuing since the podcast? I know you've been up to lots of things.
CARRIE: Oh, yeah, I think I had to think about it for a second. Like, what am I doing? Oh, yeah. So I recently got licensed to be a real estate agent here in Colorado. So I'm a licensed real estate agent.
CARRIE: This is so funny. And, you know, that came from me going at one point maybe two years ago. Someone saying, “Oh, if you weren't a physician, what would you do?” And I think I was like, “Oh, yeah, I’d be a real estate agent, I guess.”
Every time I've bought and sold my house, I've been so fascinated with the process, and it's kind of like being a lawyer, but a little bit lighter version of being a lawyer. But I also would want to be a lawyer, I think. But then I think if I actually went to law school, I would get overwhelmed, and I don't think I'd actually want to do it. But in my head, it seems like a fun idea. And every time I buy and sell a house, I'm just so fascinated with the real estate and the pricing and all that stuff.
So someone said, “What do you want? What would you be if you weren't a physician?” I said, “A real estate agent.” And then I thought, Well, why can't I be a real estate agent? That's actually something that's relatively achievable even while being a physician. So I really didn't have a strong plan at the time.
I talked to Peter Kim who also is a licensed real estate agent and he was really encouraging. He's like, “Yeah, totally go out and do that, man. Pretty ‘easy.’” And yeah, it kind of is. But actually, being a real estate agent itself is not easy; doing the school work when you’re a physician is easy. I mean, we went to medical school, so we're really good at tests, so it's not too hard.
BONNIE: I think that's a great point, Carrie. There aren't that many things that are really hard for a doctor. If you finished medical school, you finished training, there's so much stuff that you're capable of.
CARRIE: I mean, I've talked to some people on my podcast who went to law school after they went to medical school, too. So, yeah, I mean, it just takes time and it takes, you know, a little bit of effort and putting your time into something new. So that sometimes can be hard, but yeah, you can really do anything as a physician on the side. You can do anything.
BONNIE: So tell us more about this real estate thing. So what are you doing with it? Are you actually using it? What was your idea?
CARRIE: Yes. So I am a real estate agent with Your Castle Real Estate here in Denver, Colorado. But my side name for it is Hippocratic Homes. But my goal ultimately is to help any physician who's moving in or out of the Denver market to help find a home here in Denver. For the greater Denver area, in the metro area, because the market here is really fast paced and it can be really hard. And as physicians, when we're moving after fellowship, we moved to Denver from Kansas City, and it was so hard to shop for houses because we really only had a chance to come out here. I mean, on maybe one day, maybe two or three times before we actually bought our house.
And it's just so hard to buy a house in that environment where you really don't know the neighborhood. You don't know the school districts. You don't know the commutes. You don't know the traffic patterns. You don't know anything. And when we moved here to Denver, our real estate agent really didn't know how to answer those questions. I was really good at finding the answers, so it wasn't a big deal for me, But I thought a lot of people don't have the bandwidth to understand all this. I want to help them when they're moving into Colorado. So anyway, that's my goal. So if anybody is moving to Denver and needs a real estate agent, I'm your girl.
BONNIE: Well, Carrie, that just brings up what we just talked about earlier. You had a solution to a problem, right? You becoming a real estate agent to help busy physicians, you know a solution.
CARRIE: Yes, of course. Of course. Yes, yes, that was right. That was the problem that I felt that I had. And I have a solution for that problem. So yeah, you're right. I didn't even think about that. I am helping people again. It comes back to us being helpers. You're right.
BONNIE: Yeah. Awesome. So we got the Hippocratic Hustle, Hippocratic Homes, and don't have another offshoot?
CARRIE: I do because I can't stop. Holiday. So Hippocratic Holiday is a podcast for physicians, not just ladies, but any physician who wants to come on the show and share a story of their trip or the adventure. And basically, I just really wanted a way to hear stories about people's adventures mainly. Again, I'm on another physician travel group on Facebook, and it's so hard for people to express exactly what they did and also to then review that again when you're like, “Oh, someone went to the Amalfi Coast. Where did they go? I knew I saw that. What was that?”
So I wanted just another reference for people who are planning their trips. Honestly, when I was looking through Apple Podcast trying to find podcasts that would fill this kind of thing that I wanted to listen to, I had a really hard time because a lot of times when people are doing these sorts of podcasts, they’re digital nomads. They’re in their twenties or whatever, and they're making podcasts about just traveling the world and not having home. And they're just basically podcasting and blogging and YouTube-ing about these things. But very few of us could be digital nomads.
I’m not going to say, I'm not going to have a digital nomad on my show because I know a few physicians who are now basically traveling the world and essentially, you know, not staying put in one place, so they exist, too. But the majority of us have, like, three weeks of vacation, and we really have to spend it wisely. And we all have this pent up desire to kind of get out and see the world.
I know I did. We finally took our family on her first international trip last year, and I had been dying to because I studied abroad in France. Once upon a time, I spoke French fluently, and so I have a strong desire to introduce my daughter to other cultures, but with medical school and work and all that stuff, we just have very limited time to do that. So the Hippocratic Holiday is a great way to kind of get some ideas for different places you can go. Or just a little bit of escapism, if that's what you need too.
BONNIE: Yeah, I know. It's like an inside joke. Like I don't even know where she is half the time. Because between locums, and I feel like you're always traveling now. Like, maybe you are always on a trip.
CARRIE: Yeah, there was a moment where I was always traveling. Not right now.
BONNIE: Give it a bit more.
CARRIE: Yeah, exactly. In the times that we're in right now, but definitely itching, itching to get back out. We had plans to go to Hawaii again for our 20th anniversary and plans to go to Italy again. And so there's a lot of places I want to go with it right now, but I can't go. So I really can't wait to get back out there.
BONNIE: What do you think your first trip is going to be?
CARRIE: Oh, my gosh. Well, quite honestly, I think my first trip is to take our camping equipment to go camping in Colorado. I think that's probably gonna be our first trip, which wasn't something that we necessarily were going to do. But this summer, I think it's definitely going to be a stay close to home kind of vacation situation. And we do have a whole bunch of camping equipment. So it's time that we used it.
BONNIE: I actually love camping. At least I say, I do. I grew up camping. I don't think Matt’s a huge fan.
CARRIE: Oh, you guys should come out camping. We're not doing anything too hardcore. We have a very plush---
CARRIE: Yeah, pretty much glamping. Which is funny, because my husband and I used to backpack and stuff like that. So we used to make fun of car campers. But now it's like, whatever you're outside, I don't care.
BONNIE: Awesome. Well, I think we uncovered a lot of awesome information and hopefully inspired folks not to just listen to your podcasts to get inspiration, but just even hearing us talk. And I think I love that, you know, at the core of who we are is we want to help people. So I went into medicine, and so I see that as a common theme in terms of all the hustles that all the physicians are doing with their time right now.
And so, Carrie, tell us how people can find you.
CARRIE: Yeah, well, you can find the podcast Hippocratic Hustle and Hippocratic Holiday anywhere that you get your favorite podcast. So it should be there, Also, hippocratichustle.com, hippocraticholiday.com and hippocratichomes.com are all where you can find all those things.
BONNIE: Awesome. We’ll be sure to link to all that in the show notes.
Carrie, thank you so much for being here. I had so much fun.
CARRIE: Thank you, Bonnie. Awesome.
BONNIE: Thank you.
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